diff --git a/lib/letsencrypt-forge-extra.js b/lib/letsencrypt-forge-extra.js
new file mode 100644
index 0000000..058f988
--- /dev/null
+++ b/lib/letsencrypt-forge-extra.js
@@ -0,0 +1,115 @@
+/*!
+ * letiny-core
+ * Copyright(c) 2015 AJ ONeal <aj@daplie.com> https://daplie.com
+ * Apache-2.0 OR MIT (and hence also MPL 2.0)
+*/
+'use strict';
+
+var crypto = require('crypto');
+var forge = require('node-forge');
+
+function binstrToB64(binstr) {
+  return new Buffer(binstr, 'binary').toString('base64');
+}
+
+function b64ToBinstr(b64) {
+  return new Buffer(b64, 'base64').toString('binary');
+}
+
+function toAcmePrivateKey(forgePrivkey) {
+  //var forgePrivkey = forge.pki.privateKeyFromPem(privkeyPem);
+
+  return {
+    kty: "RSA"
+  , n: binstrToB64(forgePrivkey.n)
+  , e: binstrToB64(forgePrivkey.e)
+  , d: binstrToB64(forgePrivkey.d)
+  , p: binstrToB64(forgePrivkey.p)
+  , q: binstrToB64(forgePrivkey.q)
+  , dp: binstrToB64(forgePrivkey.dP)
+  , dq: binstrToB64(forgePrivkey.dQ)
+  , qi: binstrToB64(forgePrivkey.qInv)
+  };
+}
+
+function toForgePrivateKey(forgePrivkey) {
+  return forge.pki.rsa.setPrivateKey(
+    b64ToBinstr(forgePrivkey.n)
+  , b64ToBinstr(forgePrivkey.e)
+  , b64ToBinstr(forgePrivkey.d)
+  , b64ToBinstr(forgePrivkey.p)
+  , b64ToBinstr(forgePrivkey.q)
+  , b64ToBinstr(forgePrivkey.dp)
+  , b64ToBinstr(forgePrivkey.dq)
+  , b64ToBinstr(forgePrivkey.qi)
+  );
+}
+
+// WARNING: with forge this takes 20+ minutes on a Raspberry Pi!!!
+// It takes SEVERAL seconds even on a nice macbook pro
+function generateRsaKeypair(bitlen, exp, cb) {
+  var pki = forge.pki;
+  var keypair = pki.rsa.generateKeyPair({ bits: bitlen, e: exp });
+  var pems = {
+    publicKeyPem: pki.publicKeyToPem(keypair.publicKey)     // ascii PEM: ----BEGIN...
+  , privateKeyPem: pki.privateKeyToPem(keypair.privateKey)  // ascii PEM: ----BEGIN...
+  };
+
+  // I would have chosen sha1 or sha2... but whatever
+  pems.publicKeyMd5 = crypto.createHash('md5').update(pems.publicKeyPem).digest('hex');
+  // json { n: ..., e: ..., iq: ..., etc }
+  pems.privateKeyJwk = toAcmePrivateKey(keypair.privateKey);
+  // deprecate
+  pems.privateKeyJson = pems.privateKeyJwk;
+
+  // TODO thumbprint
+
+  cb(null, pems);
+}
+
+function parseAccountPrivateKey(pkj, cb) {
+  var pki = forge.pki;
+
+  Object.keys(pkj).forEach(function (key) {
+    pkj[key] = new Buffer(pkj[key], 'base64');
+  });
+
+  var priv;
+  var pubPem;
+
+  try {
+    priv = toForgePrivateKey(
+      pkj.n // modulus
+    , pkj.e // exponent
+    , pkj.p
+    , pkj.q
+    , pkj.dp
+    , pkj.dq
+    , pkj.qi
+    , pkj.d
+    );
+  } catch(e) {
+    cb(e);
+    return;
+  }
+
+  pubPem = pki.publicKeyToPem(priv.publicKey);
+  cb(null, {
+    publicKeyPem: pubPem                                  // ascii PEM: ----BEGIN...
+  , privateKeyPem: pki.privateKeyToPem(priv.privateKey)   // ascii PEM: ----BEGIN...
+    // json { n: ..., e: ..., iq: ..., etc }
+  , privateKeyJwt: pkj
+    // deprecate
+  , privateKeyJson: pkj
+    // I would have chosen sha1 or sha2... but whatever
+  , publicKeyMd5: crypto.createHash('md5').update(pubPem).digest('hex')
+  });
+}
+
+module.exports.generateRsaKeypair = generateRsaKeypair;
+module.exports.privateJwkToPems = parseAccountPrivateKey;
+module.exports.privatePemToJwk = toAcmePrivateKey;
+
+// TODO deprecate
+module.exports.toAcmePrivateKey = toAcmePrivateKey;
+module.exports.parseAccountPrivateKey = parseAccountPrivateKey;
diff --git a/lib/node.js b/lib/node.js
index b076afc..1962c5c 100644
--- a/lib/node.js
+++ b/lib/node.js
@@ -8,6 +8,7 @@
 var request = require('request');
 var leUtils = require('./acme-util');
 var leCrypto = require('./letsencrypt-node-crypto');
+var leExtra = require('./letsencrypt-forge-extra');
 var leForge = require('./letsencrypt-forge');
 var leUrsa;
 
@@ -22,6 +23,7 @@ try {
 // order of crypto precdence is
 // * native
 // * ursa
+// * forge extra (the new one aimed to be less-forgey)
 // * forge (fallback)
 Object.keys(leUrsa).forEach(function (key) {
   if (!leCrypto[key]) {
@@ -29,6 +31,12 @@ Object.keys(leUrsa).forEach(function (key) {
   }
 });
 
+Object.keys(leExtra).forEach(function (key) {
+  if (!leCrypto[key]) {
+    leCrypto[key] = leExtra[key];
+  }
+});
+
 Object.keys(leForge).forEach(function (key) {
   if (!leCrypto[key]) {
     leCrypto[key] = leForge[key];